11/27/2009

AoA Doesn't Get why Rehashing Lies Concerning Offit is a Dumbass Move

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/11/hgfhgf.html#comments

 In AoA's article today, "Pediatric SuperSite's Paul Offit Article: High Praise and Two RotaqTeq Ads," they absolutely prove they can't stop the lies. Can't. No matter how many times they've been shown to lie, they cannot help themselves.

AoA: beats the lies into the ground. And it's not like you can directly challenge them; they moderate their content and stifle dissent, so their readers who stick to them like glue on woo won't see the truth. They'll continue to think Handley and company are just awesome, cuz they is takin on the man, dontcha know? Seriously?: "Click the photo to increase size. To learn we find this ironic, read Voting Himself Rich: CDC Vaccine Adviser Made $29 Million Or More After Using Role to Create Market."

How many times?

http://counteringageofautism.blogspot.com/2009/11/fighting-right-fight-at-right-time.html

http://counteringageofautism.blogspot.com/2009/09/paul-offit-responds-to-press-release-by.html

http://counteringageofautism.blogspot.com/2009/09/paul-offits-mythical-millions-v-2-by.html

http://counteringageofautism.blogspot.com/2009/09/censoring-truth-about-offit-at-aoa.html

http://counteringageofautism.blogspot.com/2009/09/paul-offit-explains-money-side-of.html

http://counteringageofautism.blogspot.com/2009/09/anti-vaccine-propaganda-circulated-as.html

Okay, at this point I am tired of copying and pasting, but when I type in Offit into my search bar for Countering, I get 8 pages of hits, so you know I've spent a shitload of time countering AoA's crap concerning Offit. David Brown's spent time countering it. LBRB has. I'm sure other bloggers have as well.

At this point, it's beyond ridiculous but not surprising. AoA doesn't care about factual information. Period. And I'll keep demonstrating that. And so will other good people. It's about all we can do. Stand. And hope that AoA really is the fringe group that many think it is, that most people aren't suckered into their brand of reality.

58 comments:

AutismNewsBeat said...

Handley is trying to provoke a libel suit. That will work about as well as his last 12 gambits.

Foresam said...

OK, I know you'll probably delete my comment but look at my latest post that shows just what kind of an asshole Handley is.

Thelma said...

Hale's bales, ya sound reasonable, Best. Are ya comin round ta the sane way of things? I hope Kim leaves it justa see what comments it brings. Ya seen Roger? He's done disappeared on us.

Foresam said...

I can't know exactly why you people claim mercury does not cause autism. I know it does so nothing can change my mind.

I just want to see children stop being harmed. Handley is harming children intentionally by giving out bogus information.

AutismNewsBeat said...

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I'll make an exception in your case.

Louise said...

Well hells bells lord a mercy and a side 'o astonshment! Mr. Foresam is bein all civil like? It truly is a Thanksgivin miracle! I'll be stuffed and plucked if it aint!

KWombles said...

I tend to agree with Ken. I'll leave the comments stand, Best, because they aren't unreasonable ones, but you make clear that you are not interested in dialogue and exchange, you make threats, and you engage in what reasonable people would hands down consider to be despicable behavior. Why you do not see this, I don't know.

I'm in agreement with those bloggers who feel that it is unacceptable to allow people who engage in the kind of behavior you do the license to spread hate speech. It's a quandary, though, when your comments are reasonable.

If you really want to help children, then your tactics make that all but impossible.

Science-based, evidence-based people disregard the autism-mercury link based on the scientific evidence. Not because we have been duped. Not because we are morons. But because we came to the evidence open-minded and willing to follow the evidence where it led. We did not let emotion override intellect. We did not let desperation lock us into a course of action based on the bogus claims of charlatans.

There are no easy answers, no ready cures, and I think that somewhere you know that, John. Hate, anger, and the vitriol you pour out around the internet do not get you any closer to helping anyone, not yourself, not your son. Maybe they get you through the day, maybe they make you feel better, but I'd bet it's a hollow victory.

Foresam said...

Hi Kim,
My despicable behavior is just returning the favor to Frank Klein and his disciples, starting four to five years ago. I've never threatened anyone but that misrepresentation of what I do is just something I have to deal with.
LOL, do you really believe that curing my son is a message of hate? Yup, that's more of the propaganda from Frank's followers.

I fight two demons now, misinformation from Handley and Kirby plus the misinformation from people do not cure children of biting themselves and bashing their heads through walls as I have done.

It's all about helping the victims, Kim, the children. They deserve people who can decipher the nonsense and tell the truth so they get all the help they need.

I happened to stumble on you while collecting links from known psychos when I included you in that post last summer. I know that some people believe the lies from Pharma and are not inherently evil like Frank Klein and Seidel.

I know I've helped hundreds of people. Thousands have read what I wrote about stopping self-biting so maybe I helped those people too.

Amongst both sides in this phoney debate, you can never know for sure who has been conned and who is doing the conning. But, even my buddy from Autism News Beat knows I'm an honest man.

Foresam said...

ANB,
Kirby and Handley are my enemies. Decent parents just don't know that they're also their enemies yet.

AutismNewsBeat said...

Get some help, John.

Foresam said...

ANB,
I don't need any help. My son keeps improving. So, I offer my experience to help others. Can I help you?

KWombles said...

Best,

You bully, you harass, you threaten and you attempt to intimidate. There is no doubt of that, and none of those things shows any desire to help anyone.

I'm sure you love your sons. I'm sure you want the best for them.

If you really wanted the best for others, you would not post things like this:

"I believe that everyone associated with Neurodiversity should be put to death for the propaganda they perpetrate against curing horribly disabled children. They are part of the lies told by vaccine makers and politicians who continue to cause autism intentionally. I believe that autism is the greatest crime in the history of the planet and that anyone who has been involved with it in any way deserves to die, preferably slowly and with great pain. So, while I don't suggest that anyone should shoot Ari Ne'eman in the head, I do think he deserves a trial for his role in this atrocity. I hope the outcome of that trial would be death."
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20954432&postID=687429871146835512


Please know that I will resume deleting your comments if you choose to continue to post here. Your record speaks for itself. Your blogs of the people you disagree with, your impersonation of me at Orac's, your collective past acts are not excusable, and reasonable comments, just because they are reasonable, are not enough to overcome your past acts nor the acts you are still engaged in.

If you really want to help children, find a healthier, less bullying way.

Foresam said...
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KWombles said...

Sigh. How to win friends and influence people; there's undoubtedly a book out there about how to do that. You do not effect change by calling for people to be tried and executed for having Asperger's.

I've written extensively on the lack of evidence for thimerosal causing autism. If your theory were correct, then autism rates would have decreased as the amount of thimerosal decreased in childhood vaccinations. It hasn't.

You have formed a conclusion for which there is no scientific evidence.

I wonder what you will do when the DSMV comes out if Asperger Syndrome is folded into autistic disorder? How you will deal with all the individuals with Asperger diagnoses you rail against now when their diagnoses are autistic disorder?

Best, you need to re-evaluate your theory. Until then, I'd appreciate your cooperation here. I will be deleting all future posts.

Foresam said...
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KWombles said...

It's a vortex for sure. I didn't say you called for anyone to be shot. I posted your comment. Go back and read your comment.

Rational discussion is one thing. I've explained why I am deleting your comments. My mistake was in letting any of these stand, not because you've gotten tacky here, because you haven't so far, but because it encourages you.

Please reread why you are banned, John.

I wish you well, and I hope you've had a pleasant Thanksgiving with your family.

Foresam said...

Kim,
I thought we were allies versus Age of Autism. Don't you want people to see ALL of their dishonesty?

KWombles said...

Yes, John, I want people to see all their dishonesty. However, there are honorable ways to go about revealing deception and fraud.

There are honorable ways to diagree with others.

You have to find a better way, one that leaves your decency intact.

You have to be willing to examine your past behaviors and beliefs and be willing to admit when you made a mistake, where your behaviors crossed a line. I don't think you are there yet.

You have hurt and verbally abused a lot of people. You continue to do so. Until you see that, I don't think, even if we agree that what AoA is doing is wrong, that we can be allies.

Thelma said...

Really, I think you've got to embrace fat broads, Besty boy. I mean, Thelma will grant you pass the hate speech around pretty even-handedly, but really, what did an ample woman ever do to you? As my friend Louise would say, even as she smacked you with her mighty purse in one hand and hugged you tightly to her bouncing bosom with the other, big gals got a lot to offer. Why, my little emperor is a right skinny little fellar, an here I am 6 foot tall an 300 pound drippin wet, lots to love. We is a perfect pair, sure enough.

Is there a group ya ain't a hatin on? Has ya seen tha light yet? People is people an even them damn dumbasses ascrewin with the world has got feelins.

Foresam said...

Kim,
I get it, two wrongs don't make a right?
So, I should be nice to all of those people I got even with for abusing me and dozens of other parents?
Would you like me to apologize to Kim Stagliano for not turning the other cheek after she engineered a smear campaign against me?
Or, would it suit your purposes here to describe how despicably dishonest she is when she deleted comments that criticize her dishonesty?

KWombles said...

I am sure there is no winning here, and that it would be far easier to delete your comments and cease to engage you, John.

There is a difference between revealing deception and fraud and being abusive. No, I didn't suggest you should turn the other cheek, but I have the feeling you know that.

Call them out, John, but be willing to look at your own actions.

Foresam said...

Kim,
I apologize. I may have misjudged you. You're doing something right by opposing Age of Autism so maybe you're more above board than the leaders of Neurodiversity.

Anyhow, keep up the good work bashing the dishonest people from AoA. Children will benefit from that.

Louise said...

You actin the victim Mr. Best..I seen ya cut inta folk that aint provoked you-simply cause they had a difference of opinion..You engage in name callin-name callin of these folks kids..and then you say.."Im defending myself!" There aint no defense ta bein offensive-thats the damn truth.
It takes all kinds a folks ta make the world interestin..All kinds.
Go and google your name Mr. Best. I think you'll find that most folks aint as appreciative of you as ya like ta think they are.
Spreadin hate, name callin, saying folks are worthless..sounds a lot like AoA to me..

Foresam said...

Louise,
Yes, I've been a horrible person and I'm ashamed of myself. I never should have retaliated when the leaders of Neurodiversity attacked me.
I'm going to pray to the Lord and ask his forgiveness now.

Roger Kulp said...

Thelma,
If you must know,I've been busy with being a very sick autistic, some you wouldn't know from a Rhode Island Red's fuzzy butt.

I finally decided to go off casein/dairy.I did not know I had such bad problems with it.I had a serious mini-regression for a few weeks,and then I went on isoprinosine.I had a lot of immune related problems from dieoff.I then went to see my DAN!,and got a passel of test results back.My porphyrins were three to four times normal,as a result I have severe mitochondrial damage,but no mutations,two MTFR/COMT mutations, and a variant of hyper-IgE.I have learned methylation is why I did not complete puberty.I have been started chelating,and have passed all sorts of odd smelling BMs of many colors.It has also stirred up all sorts of funny immune stuff because of dieoff of bacteria and viruses.I may even have a spell of rheumatic fever coming on.

I have a very high megaloblastic anemia panel,and I also started on MB12 at $150.00 a month.It has done wonders for clearing up the snarls in my brain.I now know I am wasting my time arguing with ND types,and unless you really tick me off real bad,I probably won't post much here anymore.

Thelma said...

Roger, Louise will be plum tickled with the poop talk, no doubt about it.

Ya is gonna hafta explain ta me how goin off the wheat and dairy would trigger a regression in ya if it was the wheat and dairy causin the problems?

Plus, I sure hafta confess I am workin hard ta understand why ya would be put on a herpes medication?
http://oreilly.com/medical/autism/news/med_reference.html#Antiviral

"Isoprinosine, Inosiplex, Immunovir

Generic name: inosine pranobex

Use: Isoprinosine is used to treat infection with human herpes viruses and other viruses, including cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr, varicella, measles, HIV/AIDS, hepatitis.

Action, if known: This immune modulator inhibits human herpes viruses and other infections by mimicking the effect of hormones produced by the thymus gland.

Side effects: Unknown, although any type of hormone or hormone analog supplementation can be hazardous.

Known interaction hazards: Unknown

Tips: This is a relatively new drug in the potential ASD arsenal, and its effectiveness unknown. It is not approved for use in the US."

As ta the rest of the stuff, uh-huh, I gots a question for you: who be payin the DAN doc's bills?

I done a little bit a lookin an this porphyrin business seem ta be one of the woo-quackity quack quacks with autism an mercury. http://www.metametrix.com/content/DirectoryOfServices/0060PorphyrinsProfile

Functional medicine. Quack.

Bout the only one appearin real is the megoblastic anemia, Rog, hun. Glad ya are on somethin ta fix that B12 deficiency.

As ta the methylation, ya would hafta explain ta me was somethin not gettin methylated an it should have or gettin methylated when it shouldn't have, ya ken me, an how that impacted the puberty.
Shame tis.

Found this, but it don't explain the lack of puberty an in fact it shows that Fragile X shouldna stop or delay puberty.

http://www.childrenshospital.org/clinicalservices/Site2242/mainpageS2242P6.html#3

"3. What is methylation?
Methylation is a process in which a chemical group, called a methyl group, gets added to the DNA. When enough methyl groups are added to the DNA, the gene gets turned off. When methyl groups are removed, the gene gets turned on. This is a normal process and many of our genes are controlled by methylation. However, in fragile X syndrome, the methylation of the FMR1 gene turns the gene off when it should be turned on. When FMR1 is turned off, its protein is not made, and you see the features of fragile X syndrome.
When someone with fragile X syndrome has methylation mosaicism, not all cells will have the FMR1 gene turned off by methylation. Some cells may have it partially turned off, and some cells may have the FMR1 gene turned on."



Now, who ya gonna chat with Roger, ifn ya won't talk with us?

Thelma said...

Now, gotta admit here that Best had me laughin with his response ta Louise.

Who knew he had a sense of humor? There are things ya should be sorry for, Best, sure enough there is. Why not hit a reset button? Read some of the non-quacks for a bit? Read ya some criticism of that Cutler guy who done led ya down the trail? Come on over ta Dumbasses and chat with us, see if ya can't undo some of tha damage ya done over the years, specially with that poor Zach fellar. That was a mighty shameful sight.

Louise said...

Well hell Roger darlin!! You is like a modern day Joseph..instead of a coat-ya got poop a many colors! Seems ta me if a DAN! doc up an said ya had a Rhode Island Red up yer behind-you'd believe him! People believe what they want ta believe and listen to what all they want ta hear. Dan! is feedin your need an feedin off a your wallet!
Mr Best-damn near burst my bountiful bodashuss bosoms over that! Go on turn tha other cheek an iffen it gits spanked, well hell ya just might deserve it-boy howdy! ya may even enjoy it!

Foresam said...

Louise,
It's true, I've been wrong about the nice people from Neurodiversity. I've seen the light, followed the money and it leads right to root of all the evil in the world of autism, JB Handley.

AutismNewsBeat said...

Praise Jesus! It's a miracle!

Foresam said...

ANB,
I like to think of it as an awakening. Handley and Kirby ran a great con job on all of us. I think I'm the first victim to realize what they did.

Foresam said...

Kim,
I just want to say thanks for letting us know what propaganda Age of Autism is writing. I don't look at their blog anymore since my computer was attacked one day while I was reading it. Maybe they didn't like what I was writing about them.

KWombles said...

Well, I'm dumbfounded, but I appreciate civility.

As long as AoA spreads misinformation, I'll work to counter it with factual information. I hope that I can do that without ever resorting to the nastiness that some of their people do.

Foresam said...

Kim,
I deleted those nasty blogposts I wrote about you. I don't expect you to forgive me but I would like to say I apologize for it.

KWombles said...

Thank you, John. I appreciate that and bear you no animosity.

KWombles said...

John,

In a spirit of cooperation, two posts specifically relating to you (not the Powered_by_Starbucks ones)I have deleted from my blog.

:-)

Foresam said...

Kim,
Thank you. It's good that you counter AoA's nonsense with facts.

I try to decipher their motivation for leading parents to do stupid things. You can never know the truth about dishonest people like Kirby and Handley. You just have to try to make sense out of why they lie the way they do.

AutismNewsBeat said...

Mr. Best has been preaching hate for many years, and it will take more than a few contrite words to undo the pain and grief he has caused. He also needs to delete his execrable YouTube performances, and to expunge his attacks on Amanda and Kev.

I hope you're serious, John, but so far this smells like a con job.

Foresam said...

ANB,
Didn't you like my Youtube videos about Kirby? I thought you'd be happy to see how I pointed out that Kirby wrote his book with the intention of defrauding the public.
That information should be useful in countering Age of Autism's deception.

AutismNewsBeat said...

I'm afraid I'm not as familiar with your YouTube ouevre. I was referring to your attacks on Amanda, Ari, and others in the ND camp. You can delete DavidGorski.blogspot, too.

Please.

Free Speaker said...

John, let me point out that Handley is rational and reasonable when compared to Tim Bolen. Do not be a dupe of his, as that is what he wants.

Foresam said...

I came here to join in exposing the truth about AoA. If you don't want to know the truth about Kirby, ANB, then don't watch what I had to say.

KWombles said...

John, if you're serious about exposing AoA and realize that the way you've been proceeding overall has been detrimental, some of those blogs, like the Gorski one, will have the posts deleted and an apology offered. Orac has done tremendous work on exposing AoA's lack of integrity. Maybe even change the titles and urls, if you can't completely delete the blogs? If you're sincere, this would be a good-faith step to take.

I agree with Freespeaker; the Bolen site is bad, John. Really bad, almost on a par with whale.to.

Thelma's found a couple sites this week that some of the AoA folks (and the Huff post anti-vaxxers) are using for their talking points; you should go over to EDHF and check those posts out.

Foresam said...

If Dr Gorski were to take that up with me, I'd consider thinking about it. Without hearing from the source, I'd be relying on second-hand opinions.

AutismNewsBeat said...

Three points, John.

1. I can't imagine what you could tell us about AoA and GR that we don't already know.
2. Even if you did have something important to say, how can we trust anything you tell us?
3. There isn't a third point.

Foresam said...

ANB,
I've been writing about AoA's dishonesty for awhile after resigning my position as a Rescue Angel for the same reason. I'm not trying to become an Autism Hub blogger or attempting to take my vows into Neurodiversity. I'm just supporting you in elaborating on AoA's dishonesty from the point of view of someone who used to be one of them.

You do want as much detrimental information as possible to make them look foolish, don't you?

2.Have I ever lied to you, Ken?

AutismNewsBeat said...

I can't answer that. I deleted the John Best Fabrication Folder to make room for my Lady GaGa videos.

KWombles said...

http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot.com/2006/03/john-bests-greatest-hits.html

This is the number one google hit for John Best. And, John, it's dated 2006. You've got years and years and years of words to atone for.

Gorski is unlikely to have anything to do with you; after all, you apparently accused him of pedastry. If you are sincere, the blog you have on him will be wiped clean. Incidently, if this is where you came across Bolen (http://davidgorski.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-lie-about-autism.html#comments), let me recommend again that you walk away from this fellow.

At this point, John, I'm not certain what your goal here is (okay, I haven't at any point been certain what your goal is), but I don't and won't have the time this week to sort it out.

Short of you coming clean and atoning for all past acts of bullying and intimidation (and starting with the Gorski blog), I really don't think, even with the same desire to make AoA's lack of integrity apparent, that we can be allied in any way.

I do wish you and yours well.

Foresam said...

Hi Kim,
Dr Gorski might be happy to have more publicity. You wouldn't want to take that away from him, would you? He probably looks at publicity the same way politicians do.

Joseph's out of context quotes are not a reflection on me. They reflect poorly on Joseph for using them in a manner that was not intended.

I've never bullied anyone, Kim. I have merely responded strongly to personal attacks on me. But, that's beside the point.

I know everyone here wants what's best for autistic children so I just wanted to share my knowledge of a corrupt group. That doesn't mean I agree with everything you say here. But, some agreement might lead to unification of the autism community to take steps in the best interest of children.

KWombles said...

John,

Your last comment betrays a lack of ownership for your past activities. Your unwillingness to remove the websites besmirching others does as well.

I'll grant that you may not have bullied, although I think that is a fine line, but you have certainly engaged in intimidation tactics and you have attacked first. Your tactics are not the acts of a decent person who just wants to help children any more than AoA's are.

If you really are sincere, those blogs go. If they don't, then we'll all know that you were just yanking our chains.

You may have removed your blogs relating to me on your site, but all I have to do is look around at others where your comments still stand.

We want out children to be treated well, to be helped, and undoubtedly some of us want a cure, although that is a crappy word, when what it is we want is for our children to be healthy, happy, and funtioning at his or her potential (we just don't want it at the expense of the person they are). And most of us would prefer to stand against those who marginalize autistic people, and make no mistake, AoA does, and con parents while maintaining our integrity and our decency.

Foresam said...

Hi Kim,
I would only negotiate about the content of my blogs with the alleged complainant, not intermediaries. So far, nobody has complained. Your demand is an infringement on the 1st amendment, a right I'm sworn to defend.

AutismNewsBeat said...

Your understanding of the First Amendment is on par with your understanding of autism. Kim is not the US Congress.

KWombles said...

That's a cop out, John, and shows that you aren't a bit sorry. Gorski calls AoA out. If your agenda was to out AoA, then at the very least, you'd appreciate Gorski's efforts rather than support the harassment of him.

Thelma said...

Shewey, what a mess. Reckon that Best has a game he is a playin, for sure. Wonder what the end game of it is?

Foresam said...

Kim,
Forgive me if this sounds tacky but what you're suggesting sounds like extortion. You wouldn't want to start behaving like those horrible criminals at Age of Autism, would you?

Maybe their opprobrius behavior is contagious, it might be time for a break.

KWombles said...

Nah, it's not extortion; it's just a way to test how sincere you are about being sorry for past deeds. After all, someone on the twelve step program who gets to the point of making amends, willingly goes to all those he or she has wronged and asks for forgiveness. Those seeking to make amends for their past deeds are sincere across the board. It would appear you are not.

Foresam said...

Kim,
I'm not on a 12 step program and I have nothing to make amends for with Gorski. He's not even a parent, probably never met an autistic kid in his life.

You have nothing to do with Gorski as far as I'm concerned. Though, maybe some of his influence has corrupted you. I hope you're not as evil as the people you protest.

KWombles said...

I am so not interested in playing games, John, which is what you're doing. I can resume deleting your comments and I will if I need to.

You stand against AoA. I stand against AoA. We both have autistic children. That's about all we have in common. It's not enough to make us allies.