"KWombles I went herehttp://www.kwombles.com/psycunit2.htmlto read your thoughts on autism- you said you are a parent to 3 children with autism and a psychology instructor-"The Role of Theory of Mind in Autism Spectrum Disorderby Kim Wombles (2007) Some of the most beautiful people I have ever seen have been individuals with autism. They oftenhave this otherworldly look about them, as if they are not of this earth and are often deep in thoughtof other places and other times. It is only with tremendous effort and great cost that they turn theirgaze outward and on others. It would be easy to dismiss this lack of awareness of others as extreme narcissism, but it would be a colossal mistake. Individuals with autism can be extremely empatheticwhen aware of another’s pain or discomfort; they will take on this pain as if it were their own. It isnot a lack of concern for others’ well-being that characterizes autism, but instead is a relative inability to realize that other people can and are thinking, believing, and feeling different things from oneself.Even when that awareness can be taught, there remains a disconnect between that knowledge andthe application of it to predict another’s behavior."I
am so sorry for your students as they are receiving a double dip of crap as you mix SB-C "theories" and your own personal opinion. These are not facts. Please add real research onto your list for students -- ie--Neurotoxicology. 2009 May;30(3):331-7Ockham's Razor and autism: the case for developmental neurotoxins contributing to a disease of neurodevelopment.DeSoto MC.Department of Psychology, University of Northern Iowa, Baker Hall, Cedar Falls, IA 50614-0505, United States. firstname.lastname@example.orgMuch professional awareness regarding environmental triggers for ASD has been narrowly focused on a single possible exposure pathway (vaccines). Meanwhile, empirical support for environmental toxins as a broad class has been quietly accumulating. Recent research has shown that persons with ASD have comparatively higher levels of various toxins and are more likely to have reduced detoxifying ability, and, that rates of ASD may be higher in areas with greater pollution. This report documents that within the state with the highest rate of ASD, the rate is higher for schools near EPA Superfund sites, t (332)=3.84, p=.0001. The reasons for the rise in diagnoses likely involve genetically predisposed individuals being exposed to various environmental triggers at higher rates than in past generations.Cell Biol Toxicol. 2009 Apr 9. Induction of metallothionein in mouse cerebellum and cerebrum with low-dose thimerosal injection.Minami T, Miyata E, Sakamoto Y, Yamazaki H, Ichida S.Department of Life Sciences, School of Science & Engineering, Kinki University, 3-4-1 Kowakae, Higashi-osaka, Osaka, 577-8502, Japan, email@example.com.Thimerosal, an ethyl mercury compound, is used worldwide as a vaccine preservative. We previously observed that the mercury concentration in mouse brains did not increase with the clinical dose of thimerosal injection, but the concentration increased in the brain after the injection of thimerosal with lipopolysaccharide, even if a low dose of thimerosal was administered. Thimerosal may penetrate the brain, but is undetectable when a clinical dose of thimerosal is injected; therefore, the induction of metallothionein (MT) messenger RNA (mRNA) and protein was observed in the cerebellum and cerebrum of mice after thimerosal injection, as MT is an inducible protein. MT-1 mRNA was expressed at 6 and 9 h in both the cerebrum and cerebellum, but MT-1 mRNA expression in the cerebellum was three times higher than that in the cerebrum after the injection of 12 microg/kg thimerosal. MT-2 mRNA was not expressed until 24 h in both organs. MT-3 mRNA was expressed in the cerebellum from 6 to 15 h after the injection, but not in the cerebrum until 24 h. MT-1 and MT-3 mRNAs were expressed in the cerebellum in a dose-dependent manner. Furthermore, MT-1 protein was detected from 6 to 72 h in the cerebellum after 12 microg/kg of thimerosal was injected and peaked at 10 h. MT-2 was detected in the cerebellum only at 10 h. In the cerebrum, little MT-1 protein was detected at 10 and 24 h, and there were no peaks of MT-2 protein in the cerebrum. In conclusion, MT-1 and MT-3 mRNAs but not MT-2 mRNA are easily expressed in the cerebellum rather than in the cerebrum by the injection of low-dose thimerosal. It is thought that the cerebellum is a sensitive organ against thimerosal. As a result of the present findings, in combination with the brain pathology observed in patients diagnosed with autism, the present study helps to support the possible biological plausibility for how low-dose exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines may be associated with autism.Curr Med Chem. 2009;16(2):157-70.Immune-glutamatergic dysfunction as a central mechanism of the autism spectrum disorders.Blaylock RL, Strunecka A.Belhaven College, Jackson, Mississippi, USA.Despite the great number of observations being made concerning cellular and the molecular dysfunctions associated with autism spectrum disorders (ASD), the basic central mechanism of these disorders has not been proposed in the major scientific literature. Our review brings evidence that most heterogeneous symptoms of ASD have a common set of events closely connected with dysregulation of glutamatergic neurotransmission in the brain with enhancement of excitatory receptor function by pro-inflammatory immune cytokines as the underlying mechanism. We suggest that environmental and dietary excitotoxins, mercury, fluoride, and aluminum can exacerbate the pathological and clinical problems by worsening excitotoxicity and by microglial priming. In addition, each has effects on cell signaling that can affect neurodevelopment and neuronal function. Our hypothesis opens the door to a number of new treatment modes, including the nutritional factors that naturally reduce excitotoxicity and brain inflammation.Though most of the archaic psychology stuff you seem to post guarantees you a job in the psych dept- it has zero accountability in the definition and treatment of children with autism."Posted by: Teresa Conrick May 25, 2009 at 05:59 PM
Damn, Teresa, don't hold back while you spew your complete garbage. What a lovely person you are. Thanks for sharing.You will be an excellent teaching tool. Thank you so much! :-)--- Oh wait, there's more. AoA isn't let my posts on, either. Yup, they are about the science. :-)
An interesting note: I've run across Teresa over on Huff, and I was doing a little background reading. She posted this gem in April on the Carrey thread:
"OK - So as soon as the science is brought up and the thimerosal studies come out, the wackosphere shows their true colors and does their typical thing -- which is to do personal attacks to attempt to get everyone of topic...."
Now, isn't that precious. Personal attacks and the pro-science side is the wackosphere. I tell you, give Teresa her props, she's all about the personal attacks, isn't she?
"Well Mindy, I also am a special education teacher and I worked in psych in the 80's and 90's too. There were never the amount nor as impaired numbers of children and now teens that we see today in both public school and private placements. Get real and stop with the vaccine commercials !!"
posted Apr 24, 2009 at 19:54:39
And she feels sorry for my students? Alrighty then.
"Stephen Becker...a summary will be available shortly here on AoA. In fact, there will be much, much more to follow on the 14 studies. AoA is not about the science, K Wombles? It is the reason we exist. This debate is very simple, so pay close attention: You believe the very people who will ultimately be held responsible for this disaster not only have the right to study themselves to see if they are indeed guilty, but that the very science they use to claim innocence is qualitatively and quantitatively enough to do so. We don't.That's it. That's the debate. It's just too damn bad no one wants to go there. So again, I ask you, since you are clearly implying you are all about the science, which study would you like to discuss?"Posted by: Julie Obradovic May 25, 2009 at 04:42 PM
My response (not allowed on): Let this one on, what do you say? Since you're letting the attacks on, shouldn't you at least give the semblance of fairness?
Teresa, lovely person you are. Thanks so much for the excellent teaching tool your post will be. :-)
Julie, pick a study, but you gotta promise not to spin or distort it, okay? Oh, wait, that's what y'all do.
By the way, all my posts, the ones you didn't put on, as well as these lovely, dispassionate responses to my first post that are all about dialogue and exchange (oh and compassion for other parents with children on the spectrum) are there as well and will be used with both my psychology and freshman comp classes as critical thinking tools. Thanks bunches. :-)
Y'all have a most excellent day.
Newest response: "I read Ms. Wombles "Theory of Mind" paper and of course by me not being a scientist I have no idea what she is talking about, really.I have a question though, as I understand it children with autism do not possess "theory of mind," they can't enter an abstract and react typically. Also it is mentioned, I believe, that theory of mind does not begin to develop until someone reaches 4 years of age. Why then did my 3 year old son, run from us at bath time and hide under the covers in our bed? Why did he run away scared from a baby bird that was on the ground today flapping and chirping? How is it that when he saw a cougar pacing back and forth at the zoo on his birthday he remarked rather forcefully, "He's not happy!"? Is he not placing himself in the shoes of another, is he not mind-reading? Is this not theory of mind?I don't know, maybe my son's initial diagnosis was wrong, I mean since children do not recover from autism, if they reallyhad it in the first place, how could this be, maybe I"m imagining things, maybe not being a "scientist" I am misinterpreting information. Or maybe I am paying a good deal of attention, looking for clues that your science can't discover because of biases, a need to find a square peg to fit into your square hole.Maybe science is a lot like art, there is no one truth. It's all open for interpretation.My son sleeps with his pink teddy bear not because it is another pillow, it's because he has attached a humanistic personality to it that gives him comfort. Anthropomorphism perhaps? Theory of mind?"According to Baron-Cohen (1985), theory of mind is not dependent on intelligence levels. The theory of mind model is the idea that a person understands the idea that not only does he possess states of mind (feelings, thoughts, and beliefs), but that other people also possess states of mind and that these might differ from his own. An inability to conceive of this state of mind is what sets an autistic person apart from those who can..""While the first order theory of mind acquisition usually occurs around age 4 in children who have no neurocognitive deficits, the second order theory of mind abilities tend to develop between the ages of 6 and 7 (Coull, Leekam, & Bennett, 2006)." I also noticed that you stated in your 2008 paper that you have a child diagnosed with autism. In fact I quote, "... but as the mother of an autistic child, it is one that has played a prominent role in my caring for and teaching of my son – how do I honor hisunique gifts while helping him gain the tools and judgment to better fit into society."Didn't you just post that you have three children with autism?Or were you just speaking scientifically when you said: "To Cherry Sperlin Misra:No, I, as the mother of three children on the spectrum and as a college instructor of psychology with a focus in autism, will most emphatically not be joining the Age of Autism crowd. Ever. Thank you.I absolutely know what it is like to parent a severely autistic child who will never be leaving home to live an independent life.To say that AoA is about the science borders on absurd and your sanctimonious post certainly goes right over that edge.Posted by: KWombles May 24, 2009 at 08:31 PM" Sigh... science is so confusing.
Posted by: bensmyson May 25, 2009 at 10:56 PM
At the time the Theory of Mind paper was written my youngest two hadn't been diagnosed. On the plus, I am getting read, on the negative, the people reading are asses. (I was going to change the asses part when I woke up this morning, 5/26, but, rereading their posts, I think that's fair --y'all disagree and think that's too harsh, let me know).
Response for all the good it will do:bensmyson: At the time written, my two youngest had not been diagnosed.
Sarcastic much? Make you feel all better? You read my blog, my posts at Huff, they're all consistent. If you read my Culture of Their Own paper, you'll see that the youngest had just been diagnosed and we were working on the middle child's eval.
Ya think maybe things change with time?And theory of mind, at least the rudimentary levels of it, can be systematically taught to children with autism. I'd argue you probably need to reread the paper, though, as your examples are not of theory of mind. But that would just be me and science talking. Cheers!
Second response: The tiger example losely fits. He's connecting the tiger's behavior with an inner state. That doesn't mean he'd recognize that two different people can have differing mental states at the same time. Ah, but, you were just being sarcastic, so you're not really interested in the science on theory of mind and its impairment in people with autism, not really, are you?
You may in fact be right and your child did not have a theory of mind impairment. Kudos to you; no theory of mind impairment would mean no serious social deficits, wouldn't it? Which would mean that it didn't meet the criteria of autism set out in the DSM-IV-TR. But, hey, y'all are completely redefining autism, aren't you? So psychological and neurological studies into autism really don't apply over here in the vaccine-damaged autism, right?........And my theory of mind paper is dated 2007.
Posted by KWombles at 6:29 PM
kathleen Leopold said...
Holy crap-they don't listen to a word that you say...AoA seem to be a bunch of "victims"..they are not about science not about truth..They simply want to justify being angry. By the way, I love your course description-whats your reading list?...Anyway, I hope that you have run outside in the moon light and covered your body with crystals to dispel all the negative energy thrown at you-perhaps some time in a Hbot chamber? :)
May 26, 2009 8:42 AM
I'm still working on how to tweak the freshman comp course to incorporate the Huff stuff. AoA is going to have to come in there, too. And figure out how to add some of this stuff in besides my Theory of Mind reading. I think the bashing of the piece by the AoA woo-dips (don't you wonder how many different names we can come up with?) has to enter in as well!Man, I gotta align my chakras, don't you think? Better do the sage smudge thing, too. I'm needing lots of cleansing! Okay, actually been laughing my ass off. :-)They still haven't let any of my rebuttals on. And I emailed Kim S. and pointed that out. She said she'd keep checking on the thread. So, we'll see. Hah!
May 26, 2009 9:53 AM